Posts by Driving Force

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

Driving Force

I became a JW because I honestly believed what I was taught, that was in the 80s, there was not Internet to research things then. All the years up until the end of last year I did not consider it necessary to research anything, because the indoctrination is such that one does not need to research these things because the Watchtower does it for you and presents you with the truth. So that's the indoctrination and you believe it.

When, after researching a non-doctrinal aspect of JWs, how much money they have, I stumbled on the Candece Conti case, that was the first domino. The facts about the Watchtower and its toxic teachings hit me thereafter like being constantly kicked in the balls.

As it is very unpleasant to be kicked in the balls, that could be the reason why the facts do not affect JWs, because they are protecting their balls. This protection mechanism is call Cognitive Dissonance (CD), every single person alive is affected in one way or another by this, to deny that is proof in itself. CD is not a disease or an illness, it is a protection mechanism that everybody has, it can be beneficial, but in the case of being and staying in a cult as with JWs it is certainly not. Understanding the mechanisms of CD is an aid in releasing the bonds of the cult.

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So there was a fish swimming along...

by Zoos in

... and it bumped into a concrete wall.

you know what he said?.

"dam!

Driving Force

A piece of string went into a pub and asked for a beer.

The barkeeper asked, "Are you a piece of string?"

"yes" said the piece of string.

The barkeeper looked at him sternly and said, "F*** off, we don't serve pieces of string here". So off he wiggled to the next pub.

He went up to the bar and kindly requested a beer.

The barkeeper looked at him suspiciously and asked, "Are you a piece of string?", "yes" was the reply.

"Then piss off, pieces of string are not allowed in here." So off he wiggled out of the pub.

He was wiggling along the road and he stopped at the corner of a building, he tangled himself up into a knot and rub himself against the corner of the building until he was straggled at the edges.

He wiggled his way to the next pub, went up to the bar and asked for a beer.

The barkeeper looked at him and asked, "Are you a piece of string?"

"No, I'm a frayed knot".

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Did GJ commit perjury?

by Driving Force in

this is something i was thinking about.

as we are very well aware gj told a lot of untruths.

is he likely to be prosecuted in australia for committing perjury by directly lying to the rc?.

Driving Force

This is something I was thinking about. As we are very well aware GJ told a lot of untruths. Is he likely to be prosecuted in Australia for committing perjury by directly lying to the RC?

What thoughts do any of you have?

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Discussing the RC with a friend and my JW wife was listening.

by Driving Force in

i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.

my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.

she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.

Driving Force

TE
This RC hearing is a very good tool for all of us. It is with a member of the GB and at the same time extremely damaging for the sect, especially GJ opening answers where he clearly says that the GB are not gods mouthpiece.

I am please to hear that your wife shows some reasonableness by at least discussing these things. All the best to you and your family and thanks for you thoughts.

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Discussing the RC with a friend and my JW wife was listening.

by Driving Force in

i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.

my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.

she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.

Driving Force

Dumplin

Nice, I like it, had to read it a fews times though.

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Discussing the RC with a friend and my JW wife was listening.

by Driving Force in

i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.

my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.

she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.

Driving Force

freddo

It is a difficult ball game, my top concern is my daughter. My wife has chosen her course, but my daughter should not be confronted with this toxicity, unfortunately she is. She does need her mothers support, I do not try to get my daughter on my side, this would cause a loyalty conflict, and would be contra-productive. But this incident clearly demonstrates where the evilness lies. Thanks for your thoughts.

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Discussing the RC with a friend and my JW wife was listening.

by Driving Force in

i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.

my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.

she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.

Driving Force

LR

Nice thought, but as I am now apostate, in her opinion I have no rights to quote anything from the bible. And yes she is worried that I an right, but that does not excuse her actions. Thanks for your thoughts.

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Discussing the RC with a friend and my JW wife was listening.

by Driving Force in

i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.

my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.

she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.

Driving Force

JWd

You mentioned some very interesting points. "Playing nice" and being fair is certainly the right thing to do. In your case you were walked all over, that is the same with me, but I shall not sink down to the same low depths the JWs do. My congregational status is fader. Not DF'd, not DA'd. Clearing my stand with the elders might well be a good idea, especially if I clearly state in my letter that I will do everything in my power to undermine the belief of my wife, extensibly also my child, this may cause the elders to coerce my wife into leaving me, which (as I am in Germany) will give me reason to bring criminal charges against the elders.

I shall give this more thought, thanks for expressing your ideas and feelings, I really appreciate that.

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Discussing the RC with a friend and my JW wife was listening.

by Driving Force in

i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.

my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.

she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.

Driving Force

JM

What you say is true. You can only check to see if something is true or not true by checking all the facts. But JWs are oh so indoctrinated. We should not forget that if a JW checks the accuracy of anything, he/she is considered an apostate and will be punished. Most of them a victims.

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Discussing the RC with a friend and my JW wife was listening.

by Driving Force in

i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.

my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.

she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.

Driving Force

PM2

I am really pleased to hear that your wife is reasonable and got to know TTATT. As for my wife, even if she does turn around and realize the insidiousness of this cult, the damage has been done.

But I shall do every reasonable thing to keep my daughter out of this sect.

She believes everything the bOrg says in its magazines and books, and will not make any effort to check any of these things.

All the best to you PM2 and I hope you fully free yourself and your family from this cult.